S.I.N.= Cheaters

The MRAF sees TFCs failure to acknowledge our standpoint as an act of aggression, while their military equipment unlawfully probing the airspace of Mexico is an act of invasion. From this moment forward, the MRAF establishes the airspace of Mexico as a NFZ. All foreign entering the Mexican airspace will be intercepted and engaged with deadly first unless first given permission by MRAF, who now commands all airspace over Mexico. Humanitarian aircraft from GSF, TFC and OCU will be given permission to enter the airspace to provide medical services to Juarez Mexico only. Any military aircraft or land vehicles entering the country will be destroyed. If your aircraft need escort we will provide it with fighters of the MRAF. It is for the best interest of the people of Mexico and survivors of the Jauarez Massacre to accept the medical assistance offered by all parties. This is where we stand.

El Lobo-MRAF Commander

Omni Core Unld. is willing to provide humanitarian aid to the people of Mexico under the airspace restrictions set into place by the MRAF. We can simply send medical supplies via Boeing 737 or can provide medical support and medivac with via our Citation X-M and Do-228 Air Ambulances. For those seriously wounded, we recommend medivaccing them to another medical facility better suited to treat extensive injuries than the hospital in Juarez. We can send them to Mexico City or we can accommodate them at the ARC-1 where our aircraft will be taking off from.

Kitty,
OCU Vice President

The last time IDN agents were in Mexico you violated our airspace and launched munitions into a municipal airport. I don't trust your intentions are pure.

This is true, but IDN aircraft launched precision guided munitions against SIN vehicles only and inflicted only a small amount of collateral damage to the airport after it SOD-1 agents had evacuated all non combatants. The SOD-1 agents objective was to detain the SIN operatives but they were met by fierce resistance and no choice but to engage in a firefight. Still, SOD-1 agents detained the surviving SIN operatives which have been given medical treatment and are currently in our custody.

What we are offering to do is send medical aid by way of Majesta Air Ways. We understand that MRAF aircraft will intercept us off the coast and then escort us north west to Juarez. We have no objections other than we do not wish to be escorted by SIN aircraft. This is a mission of humanitarian effort for those injured and nothing more. We require no IDN presence. Due to recent SIN activity we will escort Majesta Air Ways from ARC-1 to an established MRAF intercept point. IDN escort will break off and RTB. We will most likely need a refueling point once we reach the coast under your escort, then we can all proceed to the airport closest to Juarez as Juarez Int. is no longer active. Once we arrive we can unload the medical supplies and RTB, or we can medicav those injured if you wish, either or will be under your security. The choice is yours.

Kitty,
OCU Vice President

I was almost starting to forget that the way to get ahead here is not skill, alliances, or political savvy but rather the ability to spin a web of complete and utter bullshit that happens to work to your advantage.

This is what I'm willing to do. You can send your Do-228. The Citation X is too fast for my comfort and a Columbian millionaire proved it can easily modified into an effective attack jet. Do-228s are much slower so if you try anything tricky we'll shoot it down with no problem. Launch when ready and send your aircraft due west from your ARC. MRAF MiG-29s will pick you up at 25.831415,-96.587677 and escort you to Gen Mariona Escobedo Int. (MMMY) so you can refuel. From there you will be escorted to a large highway that runs parallel Juarez Int. We will recieve your supplies and drive them to the hospital and give you the critically wounded so you can fly them the your ARC for treatment. Do not make me regret letting you into my country. We may not be a large force, but we know how to do a lot of damage with what we have. SIN insurgents will help us whenever we ask, so it is best for, with your ARC so close to Mexico, to be honest and do only what you say you will. Other than that the people of Mexico appreciate the aid.

El Lobo-MRAF Commander

Allow me to briefly explain my last post, instead of having others take aggressive actions and assume I am out to destroy them. Yes, we do carry nuclear weapons. No, we do not intend to use them. We have yet to enter Mexico, nor do we have any facilities in Mexico. I never said we did. Furthermore, our X/A-37s will be entering Mexican Airspace with peace-keeping missions in mind. We were going to provide active patrols over Mexican Airspace to prevent any further bombings of innocent civilians. Task Force Crimson was not directly involved with the nuking of Saudi Arabia and the Arabian Peninsula. That action was carried out by UMEF before they disbanded. One of my operatives is ex-UMEF's commanding officer, and has given TFC all of their assets and territories, including nuclear ordnance. We follow the Samson Plan, meaning that nuclear assets are a defensive, last resort option.

1. We were not involved with any operations in North, Central, or South America, as we were busy conducting training and recon exercises near Japan.

2. We asked your opinion for a reason. If you don't want our help, then that's fine. We're not going to force you to let us help. That's a waste of valuable assets that could be used helping other people.

3. We did not threaten anyone with nukes. We reminded you that we have nuclear capability. We don't want to take over. That's why we're a Task Force. We're not a government. American arrogance, my ass.

4. Last but not least, we are not in Mexico, which is why we asked beforehand about rendering aid, which you rudely refused. We're not holding nukes over your head. We're holding them over our own, and most of our nuclear weapons are moth-balled and safely stored, awaiting the dismantling process. However, with your blatant disregard for our kind proposition, and your obvious threats towards us and our allies, we may decide it best to hold on to some of these weapons for future use. Just to let you know, we are capable of deploying from FOBs all over the world, with no more than 2 hours of flight time necessary to reach any operation area in the world.

TFC is not a war-mongering organization. We are a peace-keeping organization, and our objective is to provide security and assistance to those in need. We understand the NFZ in effect over Mexico, and have withdrawn all of our assets from the area. That being said, Task Force Crimson requests permission to enter Mexican airspace and land outside of Juarez Intl. to set up an Emergency Medical Triage and Evacuation Center, so we may aid in the search for survivors and provide ground zero medical aid to stabilize critically injured patients before transporting them to Mexico City. We request in addition the ability to deploy Team Foxtrot as a security detail for the Triage Center to provide a sense of security and protection to the patients there. C-130J Hercules will be enroute to Mexico under escort of TFC aircraft, who will break off at a pre-determined rendezvous point. They will be loaded with medical supplies and MRE rations for disaster recovery operations.

Tomorrow, the small GSF fleet which was deployed to Mexico to deliver military equipment to MRAF will reach its destination in western Mexico. In light of TFC's sudden presence, the MRAF has asked GSF to keep it's fleet there to provide support against an invasion. Also, they've asked GSF to provide humanitarian aid and construction supplies to Juarez. We will do both and will be deploying the 3rd Scout Regiment to escort the GSF supplies, and then to remain in Mexico ready to neutralize any aggressive TFC, OCU, and Black Ace actions against the new government of Mexico. If these factions remove themselves from Mexico, we will do the same. But as long as TFC remains in Mexico, or sends any of their hollywood CGI planes piloted by Jamie Fox (yeah, downloading the plane from stealth and saying you designed it in secrecy is real original), GSF will act according to the will of the MRAF and engage any GSF/OCU/BA vehicles in the region.

Yep. Stealth's F/A-37 Talon was the model we chose, but the air file and cfg are all custom-made. Good research. Also, his last name is Foxx*, and it's real nice that you'd be willing to destroy your own military assets, yet you won't engage mine. Nice to know.

HAHAHA!!!! Looks like Mr. Soviet mastermind made a boo boo. I think he meant "TFC", but he's too busy being smarter than us stupid Americans, and paying "attention to detail" to catch his own mistakes.

TFC check your inbox.

The Operation conducted on 20 June was a succesful air to ground campaign. Ciudad Juarez was the target that was attacked. Our Air Force is armed with weapons that are 98% accurate. The attack was 100% Effective on that airport destroying the runway and tarmac. 3 JDAM's were released and destoyed their targets. Destroying Mexico City was a fake. Our weapons were deployed over Ciudad Juarez not Mexico City. If you wish to please your Insurgent Group with intel give them the right intel. ISA also has pictures of the bombings of Ciudad Juarez. They will be provided if needed...

P.S S.I.N. also should have confirmed that Mexico City was even hit before giving fake intel.

Earth to Black Aces:

We never said that you attacked Mexico City. We said that our pilot origionally launched from Mexico City, and one of your guys said over the com "guys, he's lunching from Mexico City". Not once any of the SIN and MRAF reports did we claim Mexico City was attacked. We only said Juarez, which what everybody esle has been repeating. This is the "pay attention to detail" part I was talking about (what was me who said that OCU, not GSF, so I guess you can follow that advise too).

Also, upon releasing your weapons you broadcast over the com, "A Black Aces B-2 Stealth Bomber has just released its bombs and destroyed Juarez International Airport...so...Juarez Intl is now destroyed". Then our SIN pilot congratulated you on destoying a civilian international airport packed with civilians (which you didn't even realize you were doing), and you responded by saying...NOTHING. Because you realize you screwed up. So, after reading OCU's responce to MRAF regarding their attack on a smaller airport, you suddenly change your story a day later saying you used JDAMS. Bullshit. OCU sent strike fighters that can only carry small bombs. And I can confirm they only dropped 4 because we only had 4 vehicles on the ground, and they only said "Pickle" four times. You sent a B-2 Spirit a.k.a the world's most advanced tactical nuclear bomber, to neautralize an airport because you wanted to inflict large damage. And you accomplished exactly that and confirmed it yourself when you broadcast over the com for the whole world to hear, "...Juarez Int. is now destroyed". You confirmed it yourself. And again, congratulations. And before you or TFC or anybody else trys to blame it on us, realize that it was your decision to send a B-2 on a bombing mission into and area with no air defense to strike a civilian airport because one SIN aircraft took off from there and attacked targets that weren't even in your territory. Now you have to live with your mistakes. The casualities are just as they said and you do not have the authority to take it back or change your own story in order to protect your image. You f****d up. Learn from it.

-Black Wing-

Your intelligence is so flawed that you did not even know what aircraft we used to strike Ciudad Juarez. We used a B1-B not a B-2. Also the B-2 Stealth Bomber was not built for nuclear purposes. "International Airport in Juarez, Mexico", S.I.N. this is what you stated. Our recon over Mexico indicated that there are 2 International Airports in Mexico city. We also found there to be no city in Mexico by the name of Juarez only Ciudad Juarez. Your information and intelligence is flawed to the point that you coherence is no longer in exsistence. Also the statement at which small planes equals small packages is not meaningful. A F-22 is able to carry a MK-82 JDAM which has the blast radius of up to 15 miles. Next time you post, please exercise with intelligence not negligence.

1. B-2s were designed to deliver nukes from the start and they still do have tha capability. I thought everybody on planet Earth knew that but apparently I was wrong.

2. You may have used a B-1, but what you said over the com was "B-2 stealth bomber". I'm not saying you used nukes, just saying you used a large bomber to deliver a large load. I'm simply repeating what you said.

3. Ciudad Juarez and Juarez are the same place. However, locals call it Juarez. Foreigners will refer to it as Cuidad Juarez or CD Juarez for geographic purposes only. If you had any kind of intelligence, you would have gathered a little of your own and remembered our first two strikes were in Alamagordo, New Mexico, and Las Cruses, New Mexico. Rmember the theme park in Las Cruses? Look at a map, and use your pea brain. The only Juarez with an airport even close to those locations would be Ciudad Juarez, which you bombed.

4. The MK-82JDM is only a 500 pound bomb (meaning 500 pounds of explosive munitions) and does not have a blast radius close to 15 miles. It can be launched from that distance as it has a glide range of 15 miles (if launched from an altitude of 10,000 ft and a IAS of 250kts), but it's effective DANGER CLOSE radius is 245 meters / 804 feet, and fragmentation radius is 260 meters. For training purposes, the MINIMUM SAFE DISTANCE for a Mk-82JDAM is 1200 meters / 3936 feet. This is nowhere close to your ridiculous 15 miles.


And in regard to your last little smart ass remark I offer you this advise. Until you figure out how to think I'd save your intelligence insulting comments for yourselves.

-Black Wing-

To S.I.N.

Your JDAM comment is unreasonable to an extent along with the B-2 Stealth Bomber. First the JDAM Series is a number of bomb types from larger ordinance to smaller ordinance. The largest JDAM the Air Force uses is a GBU-31 which is a 2000 pound bomb also know as a bunker buster. To say 1 JDAM can do 1 type of range is incorrect. Now to the B-2 Stealth Bomber. The B-2 was built using newly found stealth technology. This project was built to replace the B1-A Bomber due to the Russians building a radar that detects super-sonic booms. The Air Force requested a new Strategic Bomber to carry conventional and nuclear weapons. Intentions for the B-2 was put towards conventional weapons due to the payload a B-2 can carry. As you should know this program was also apart of and helped build the Have Blue Program. Next time research before you make your self ignorant in your ranting.

Black Aces...I'm starting to get the feeling you are retarded. I clearly emphasized the MK-82JDAM several times. I did not simply put JDAM, I put MK-82...EVERY TIME. MK-82 would be the type. JDAM would be the classification. And why did I talk about the MK-82JDAM? Because you brought it up first claiming the MK-82JDAM had a blast radius of 15 miles. I wasn only responding to what YOU said. Is there a single one among you with a working brain?

Finally, the B-2s primary role is a tactical/strategic bomber. Yes. It's original role was strategic nuclear bomber. Due to the Nuclear Dissarmament Pact, the U.S. has reduced it's PRIMARY role to large tactical bomber. However, the U.S. still has more nuclear weapons than all other coutnries combined and the B-2 is still capable of launching 16 types of nuclear delivery platforms if need be. Reseach the nuclear delivery drill the USAF practiced in Kunsan, South Korea early this year during the USN/ROKN wargames.

Again, don't insult anybody else's intellignce until you develop a little of your own. I'm really getting tired of trying to teach you how to think.

-Black Wing-

S.I.N.

If you would do your research the Mk seris is all jdams. They are built off of GBU's. I am done arguring with you because you do not know what you are talking about. If you want to do something with arigance, attack us doing something. Put your money where your mouth is.

OMG, the MK series are not all JDAMs retard. JDAM means Joint Direct Attack Munition and is a guidance kit that converts unguided bombs, or "dumb bombs" into all-weather "smart" munitions . The MK-82 in particular entered service in 1961. The first JADAMs including the MK-82JDAM didn't enter service until 1997. At this very moment, A-10s and F-16s in the Middle Eest drop various MKs with and without JDAMs. MK is the designation originally given by the RAF durring WWII to all bombs guns, knives, tanks, and planes to designate "Mark". MK means "Mark". Like Tornado Mk2. Sea Harrier Mk2. Mk-82 UGB (Un-Guided Bomb). JDAM would specify classification of guidance. The designation MK was put into practice 60 years before JDAMs even entered service. And to this day MK bombs are only outfitted with JDAMs depending on the mission objective and target type. This proves that not all MKs are JDAMs , and that you are still a retard.

And the last time I put my money where my mouth is I made a fool out of. We bombed your base while you bombed nothing but civilians. And then we esacped right through your fingers. You need to start putting your brain where your mouth is because so far it's caused you nothing but embarassement. Perhaps you should utilize the STFU method and realize everytime you attempt to correct me, I take you to school. When will you learn?

Love always

-Black Wing-

Ok, let us not get so carried away with arguments. we need to lessen the offensive actions and get focused on operations and actions. What is done is done, that airport was bombed, let it go. Focus on what to do now, not then. Once something is announced as being done, it is done, and that is it. Nothing can be done to that airport but rebuilding. A mistake is a mistake, let honor have acceptance of mistakes. Lets not dwell in the past, lets move forward. We changed the ITTN forum for a reason. We wanted to get away from petty things like arguments and grudges. This is one main reason UIA needs to moderate factions properly. We need more factions leaders communicating to one another, using different threads that are relevant to the threads original post name. So, there is errors. Lets work around them.

A good thing about this is that we are learning the different acronyms of weapons and the history of them, lol. We need a UIA area for posting things like that, lol.

As far as TFC having nukes. I don't remember how it attained them. Israel was cleaned out of nukes by GPEO when GPEO operated there. Most of those nukes are powering towns in the Middle East. ACC apparently didn't have nukes, leaving the nukes they didn't get in N-Korea still. GPEO wouldn't going to attempt to take those form the N-Korean rebels, when we operated there. GPEO got the fuck out, lol. It is safe to say that wherever GPEO operated, the nukes were first on the list to dismantle. Only the GPEO SSBN's, some US States, as well as Pacific areas had them, and now they are all mostly in Indonesia, safe. The only ones left are held back by some GPEO commanders, who are unwilling to leave their posts. The nukes are only to be used by the submarines or missile silo launching. None are prepared for aircraft deliverance. It may anger factions who thought they had nukes to realize they really didn't, but that is just how it is. I never wanted to anger anyone. FSXF holds most of the US nukes, at least 70% of them. Uatia got the nukes the UK use to have, or at least what the UK based groups gave them. Some may be lost in Africa somewhere, lol.

Dragnoxz, as far as my recent inventory states, we have several nuclear weapons from UMEF and ADC, as well as naval assets. These mostly consist of Jericho-class weapons, and most of them are in reserve or moth-balled. None are currently in active supply, but we can prepare them within a few days. However, with the Samson Plan in mind, we keep them only for a defensive last resort weapon. If my history of the VR-World is correct, UMEF used nuclear weapons on GPEO forces just before their disband happened, and one of the results was the nuclear wasteland in the Arabian Peninsula. Correct me if I'm wrong, as I'm mostly taking what Ghost has stated, and my limited experience with ADC. I really don't care if we do have nukes. Remember also a while back we conducted a black ops mission to steal FSXF aircraft and weapons. We could've attained a few of our nukes from those operations several months ago.

I tried to clear it up with UMEF long ago that the Israeli nukes were not there to be found by them. A paradox occurred when they claimed to have used nukes on Arabia. We were unable to acknowledge the operation, nothing really happened other than a fierce argument that we didn't want to start again. Illogical actions were made and too many things ignored. I tried to explain it long ago, but was ignored. I really hate to be the one to tell you, after you using it for so long, but your nuke inventory is paradoxed. What you could do is maybe say there was chemical weapons, and that you currently have chemical weapons in reserve, for defensive use. It would make more sense.

Alright then, in addition to whatever limited supply we stole from Fleet.

I apologies, but the FSXF was at war with the GPEO, FSXAF and VSF, till VSF back stabbed us and joined their defeat. UMEF was not in existent during those times. We are talking factions, not individuals. FSXF would not let a faction take something unless they had no choice. It took GPEO to slowly push them back, when we had 70+ members, 30 of those active. If GPEO could not openly take something from within the FSXF lines, I don't think a small militia or unit could. Can you recall the operation, or was it just an attack onto FSXF planes and bases ? FSXF also announced it was no longer going to acknowledge foreign attacks anymore, due to them leaving the VR-World scenario. It is hard to acknowledge them anymore, but they still exist in FSX, and were ones of the two first factions to recognize territories being taken or lost. It was unorganized back then, but we hope to mold into a more organized world through the UIA behind the scenes programs. I think it would be logical that TFC did not have nukes at this time. I mean, do you really need them ? Only FSXF, GPEO, VSF, (V-RAF/FSX-RAF, etc) Uatia, FSXAF, and VMC had nukes, the lands were secured and most nukes were dismantled. Personally, I think the VR-World needs no nukes, but they are still there. We really don't want to bring up nuke talks right now, especially when the world is so full of action. We don't want an Armageddon scenario to ruin the world. It is not like Earth can be reset, the long 6-7 year timeline would be a waste, however groups could still survive, but the world would become a dark one.

"Most of those nukes are powering towns in the Middle East. ACC apparently didn't have nukes, leaving the nukes they didn't get in N-Korea still."

Thanks for the info. I'm sure GSF will be overjoyed.

What nukes are there in the DPRK?